tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post5226109786112008657..comments2023-10-25T09:45:40.318-04:00Comments on The Politics of the Cross Resurrected: Occupy Wall Street as an Heretical, Medieval CultCraig Carterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10209954891388905090noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-8967368280092304802011-11-26T12:27:12.831-05:002011-11-26T12:27:12.831-05:00Nathan,
Glad to hear that you don't think Jesu...Nathan,<br />Glad to hear that you don't think Jesus would support OWS. Most left-leaning people I know think he would.Craig Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10209954891388905090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-31397281502182173962011-11-24T14:34:35.574-05:002011-11-24T14:34:35.574-05:00Huh? I just said your description of people sound...Huh? I just said your description of people sounded like the people that Jesus was described being with. Never even insinuated that he'd be protesting. But he'd probably be there.NathanColquhounhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14813551262937303118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-65801554439743224322011-11-24T13:06:06.563-05:002011-11-24T13:06:06.563-05:00Nathan,
If Jesus went to OWS he would go to seek a...Nathan,<br />If Jesus went to OWS he would go to seek and to save that which is lost. He would not be a OWS protester marching against capitalism. Absolutely nothing in the Gospels would indicate that he would join in the drive for more socialism in society. He came to bring the Kingdom of God, not another social/political program devised in the imaginations of fallen men.Craig Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10209954891388905090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-33958244864708013522011-11-13T16:32:48.197-05:002011-11-13T16:32:48.197-05:00At the very least it looks like a group of people ...At the very least it looks like a group of people that Jesus would have been found with, especially your second group.NathanColquhounhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14813551262937303118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-91563529459989970532011-11-07T11:46:32.106-05:002011-11-07T11:46:32.106-05:00I think you may be giving the occupiers a bit too ...I think you may be giving the occupiers a bit too much credit. The apocalyptic element we see through Christian history, Joachim and later the voices from the anabaptist Munster rebellion represent disordered intellectual and spiritual desire. It's a bit like the way love of one's children and family can be the seeds of violence in order to advance their causes or, say, sectarianism. Peter's righteous desire for self preservation becomes disordered into cowardice and leads him to deny Christ. We see Joachim or Savonorola as madmen, but I'd much rather trying to reason with them then some of the occupiers! With them there's a tradition of enquiry to draw on, core texts to work with, the core of virtue that has been disfigured, as Gollum is a mutated Smeagol, but it's there!<br />With the occupiers there is nothing except a series of oughts which haven't been subjected to rational analysis. These oughts are themselves the product of their being shaped by a mass media and so are nothing more than the bleating of "four legs good, two legs bad". They are, not so much After Virtue, as after ethics! There is nothing but totemic allegiances there, no critique or analysis, coherent or otherwise, no reason to engage!<br />I think the Savonorolas and the Joachims serve as both a cautionary tale but also an reminder to avoid the cultural compromise that Christianity can become beholden too. The protestors, and I've spent two full days with them here in Halifax, speaking to them and trying to learn from them, are "couch surfers" who have cottened on to a good thing and are getting funded and told that they're Che Guevara for doing what they do always (minus the windshield washing)!<br />Give me Joachim any day :)Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15064956947600560899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-59276768909183446642011-11-05T23:44:39.624-04:002011-11-05T23:44:39.624-04:00One of your most insightful posts.
Thanks.One of your most insightful posts.<br /><br />Thanks.S Massonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13001187398361500469noreply@blogger.com