tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post5911469035723226684..comments2023-10-25T09:45:40.318-04:00Comments on The Politics of the Cross Resurrected: How Same-sex "Marriage" is Changing MarriageCraig Carterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10209954891388905090noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-86268212626202498842010-08-26T09:02:02.340-04:002010-08-26T09:02:02.340-04:00Dr. Carter,
Thanks for responding here to my comm...Dr. Carter,<br /><br />Thanks for responding here to my comments. I hope you and Dave were able to meet in Torronto. I agree there is a lot of drifting going on on the evangelical left, but it's not clear to me that's what's going on with Dave. I think his approach to ministering to homesexuals comes more from both a missional concern for reaching out to a group that is often alienated from the church and the gospel, and also from a pastoral concern for the people in his congregation, to see there lives lived under the Lordship of Christ. I think he is especially concerned that we come to see that we all have disordered desires in our lives and that just because some of us do not experience same sex attractions does not mean that we have no disordered desires.Gordon Hackmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342433273604253495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-89407534084032970422010-08-17T15:12:49.732-04:002010-08-17T15:12:49.732-04:00David,
I'm just back from vacation and am gett...David,<br />I'm just back from vacation and am getting caught up on blogging. I'd love to get together with you when you are in TO. My email is ccarter@tyndale.ca Give me a shout. <br /><br />Gordon,<br />I will re-read David's blog posts on homosexuality and write a response to his comments here. And as you can see from the above, I'm ready and eager to meet and talk with him. <br /><br />I don't know what any other person's motives are; all I can do is look at the actions and guess. What I saw is someone saying the same kind of things the liberal Anglicans were saying a couple of decades ago before they evolved to their present heretical stance. It is a question of not wanting to see another Evangelical drift out to sea on this issue. There is a lot of drifting going on right now in the Evangelical Left; wouldn't you agree?Craig Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10209954891388905090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-18985878829933151172010-08-06T08:18:28.226-04:002010-08-06T08:18:28.226-04:00Dr. Carter,
As a regular (pretty much daily) read...Dr. Carter,<br /><br />As a regular (pretty much daily) reader of and frequent commenter on this blog I feel I cannot be silent concerning your comments on Dave Fitch. For the last eight years Dave Fitch has been my pastor, friend, and spiritual mentor. I have learned as much about what it means to follow Christ from Dave Fitch as I ever have from anyone. I therefore, find you remarks about him to be inaccurate, overly harsh, and personally hurtful. <br /><br />It is one thing to disagree with the approach another person takes to a particular issue. It is another thing altogether to acuse a fellow Christian of facilitating "desensitization toward sin" and claiming that their intention is to "soften up the Church for the radical step of calling good what Scripture calls evil." Whatever can be said about Dave Fitch, nothing could be further from the truth than what you have said here. <br /><br />You told me not that long ago that you respect my fair-minded comments here. As such, I respectfully request that you reconsider what you have said here about David Fitch and that you give an answer to his comment above. I hope that maybe the two of you can meet when he is in Toronto in a couple of weeks. <br /><br />In the end, you may still disagree with his appraoch to this issue, but I just don't think it necessary to impugn the motives of a fellow Christian or to accuse him of trying undermine the church and the scriptures.Gordon Hackmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342433273604253495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-84908757045129123642010-08-05T12:05:15.529-04:002010-08-05T12:05:15.529-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gordon Hackmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342433273604253495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-54759851942451835542010-08-05T08:28:26.823-04:002010-08-05T08:28:26.823-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gordon Hackmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342433273604253495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328993133397649838.post-42969770674720383652010-08-05T00:17:20.705-04:002010-08-05T00:17:20.705-04:00Craig,
Although I agree with much of your post her...Craig,<br />Although I agree with much of your post here, I disagree with your opinion that I am in any way adopting a stance remotely protestant mainline liberal. There isn't a cultural acomodationist bone in my body. I am arguing for a tranformational hermeutic which takes the transformation of people's lives seriously.And taht includes their sexuality. I seriously can't get how youthink I'm going liberal if you read this post http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/being-missional%E2%80%9D-and-the-glbtq-2-mission-and-the-nature-of-desire/ <br />I asked this question "Can anyone enter the redemption of the new creation in Christ apart from submitting all desire to Christ for His purposes? On what basis might we withhold any desire in our entire beings from submission to Christ?"<br /><br />as for my own stance, it's stated clearly in the recent post that I assume the Christian prohibition against same sex relations. In fact much of that post if you read it clearly, affirms what you've written in this post.<br />I think you are took quickly prone to polarizing me in this issue ... <br /> peace bro ... I'm in Toronto in a couple weeks ... should we talk?David Fitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172946291782712204noreply@blogger.com